Quinto Posto e CL

[Andrewblu]

Se le Merde pareggiano a Udine per me le scavalchiamo in due giornate (Napoli-Roma e Lazio-Verona e Roma-Juve e Monza-Lazio)...non capisco come il tifoso laziale sia così cagasotto e voli così in basso...

[Ranxerox]

merde seste e noi settimi, firmo

Ma non sarebbe meglio noi sesti e merde settime? Ci sarebbe qualcosa di male?

[Tom_Frost]

Il problema, come ti scrivevo, è quando essere tifosi della Lazio diventa un effetto collaterale dell'odio sportivo verso la roma...
E per me questo avviene quando si preferisce arrivare settimi basta che la roma non va in Champions, piuttosto che fare tutto il possibile affinché in Champions ci vada la Lazio.

La frase non era "rinuncio ad andare in Champions per non farci andare il rioma". Ma il senso era "preferisco rinunciare all Europa league e andare in conference se il rioma non va in Champions". Questo è. E non mi pare na roba così allucinante onestamente ma ognuno giustamente ha la sua opinione.

Poi che loro ci siano andati altre volte in passato lo so, ma non fingiamo di non sapere che la prossima Champions avrà un nuovo formato, sarà la più ricca di sempre e che loro stanno con le pezze al sedere.

Ripeto: il resto sono opinioni.

Detto questo penso che il 5 maggio ci stava uno stadio intero, tranne me e altri 5, che tifava Inter. Mentre noi avevamo ancora qualche chances di Europa. Con Poborsky che ha dovuto mandare a quel paese i suoi stessi tifosi. E non parliamo di rioma e del male che rappresenta, ma di Inter.

[Tom_Frost]

Ah. E cmq era na battuta. Perché nessuno firma niente, così solo per ribadire. Perché vedo gente un po' incazzosetta

[claudio1]

Credo che paradossalmente per noi la Champions rimarrà un miraggio non tanto per le merdacce quanto per l'Atalanta...ha un ottimo calendario che credo per noi la renda irraggiungibile...però almeno dovrebbe fottere il posto ai peperones...
E non diciamo imprecisioni...
In Champions vanno sei squadre solo se un italiana vince l'Europa League e non si classifica nelle prime 5, mentre se è tra le prime 5 non si scala e quindi in ogni caso la sesta va comunque in Europa League

Stai dicendo tu un'imprecisione, dovresti leggere le regole sul sito della UEFA. Quello che dici tu vale per i primi 4 posti. Poi ci sono le assegnazioni dei posti per i vincitori di CL e EL. Poi ci sono i posti aggiuntivi per le due migliori federazioni dell'anno precedente.

Quindi se l'Atalanta vince l'EL da quinta, conquista il suo posto in CL. A quel punto il posto aggiuntivo è il sesto.

[claudio1]

Ma quindi la storia che se l atalanta arriva quinta e vince l Europa league apre un altro posto in Champions era na calla ve?

No, è vera.

[gruz]

aridaje oh , il sesto posto non consente la qualificazione champions in nessun caso ,a sto punto mettetelo nel titolo del topic perche ancora un po di gente non l ha capito

[claudio1]

aridaje oh , il sesto posto non consente la qualificazione champions in nessun caso ,a sto punto mettetelo nel titolo del topic perche ancora un po di gente non l ha capito

Per favore, leggi il regolamento prima di scrivere queste inesattezze.

Il posto del vincitore dell'EL viene assegnato *prima* degli EPS (European Performance Spots). Se scrivi queste cose poi la gente si confonde, perché non tutti si mettono a leggere il regolamento.

Anche il settimo posto garantirebbe l'EPS, se il quinto e il sesto fossero i vincitori di CL e EL.

[gruz]

Per favore, leggi il regolamento prima di scrivere queste inesattezze.

Il posto del vincitore dell'EL viene assegnato *prima* degli EPS (European Performance Spots). Se scrivi queste cose poi la gente si confonde, perché non tutti si mettono a leggere il regolamento.

Anche il settimo posto garantirebbe l'EPS, se il quinto e il sesto fossero i vincitori di CL e EL.

no guarda la gente si confonde se continuate a dire che il sesto posto puo valere la champions.

[claudio1]

no guarda la gente si confonde se continuate a dire che il sesto posto puo valere la champions.

Vabbè, giusto perché continui, posto il regolamento, così forse capisci anche tu. La prossima volta però leggitelo da solo, per favore.




Article 3 Entries for the competition
3.01
Each UEFA member association (hereinafter association) may enter a certain number of clubs for the competition through its top domestic championship, in accordance with the association coefficient rankings drawn up in line with Annex D. These rankings determine the association’s position in the access list (Annex A), which in turn determines the stage at which each club enters the competition. Only one single team per club may be entered.

3.02
Associations are represented on the following basis (see Annex A):

one representative: winner of the top domestic championship;

two representatives: winner and runner-up of the top domestic championship;

three representatives: winner, runner-up and third-placed club in the top domestic championship;

four representatives: winner, runner-up, third-placed and fourth-placed clubs in the top domestic championship.

3.03
Additionally, the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League titleholders are each guaranteed a place in the league phase even if they do not qualify for the competition through their domestic championships. If the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League titleholder qualifies for the UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League through one of its domestic competitions, the number of places to which its association is entitled in the UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League is reduced by one.

3.04
If the UEFA Champions League and/or UEFA Europa League titleholder qualifies for the league phase of the competition through its domestic championship, the vacancy created in the league phase is filled as follows, in the following order (see Annex A):

A vacancy created by the UEFA Champions League titleholder is filled by the domestic champion with the highest individual club coefficient of all the clubs that qualify for the champions path. The champions path is adapted accordingly, with each subsequent vacancy filled by the club(s) with the highest individual club coefficient(s) of all the clubs in the previous round.

A vacancy created by the UEFA Europa League titleholder is filled by the club with the best individual club coefficient of all the clubs that qualify for the champions path and the league path, provided that this club is the highest ranked domestically of those from its association that have not already qualified for the league phase of the competition directly. If this condition of being the highest ranked domestic club is not met by the club with the highest individual club coefficient, then the position moves to the club with the next highest individual club coefficient of all clubs in the champions path and league path. Once the vacancy is filled, the champions path or league path is adapted accordingly, with each subsequent vacancy filled by the club(s) with the highest individual club coefficient(s) of all the clubs in the previous round of the corresponding path.

3.05
If the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League titleholder qualifies for the qualifying phase or play-offs of the competition, the respective qualifying rounds or play-offs are adapted accordingly, with each vacancy filled by the club(s) with the highest individual club coefficient(s) of all the clubs in the previous round of the corresponding path.

3.06
In the event of any other vacancies, and further knock-on effects in the UEFA Europa League and/or UEFA Conference League, priority is given to the best ranked club(s) in the UEFA Champions League or the domestic cup winner(s) in the UEFA Europa League and/or UEFA Conference League (or the club(s) replacing it if it qualifies for the UEFA Champions League) of the association ranked highest in the access list for the previous round of the corresponding path.

3.07
Finally, the two associations whose affiliated clubs achieved the best collective performance in the previous season of the UEFA men’s club competitions (i.e. best season club association coefficient), in accordance with the season coefficient principles (see Annex D.3), are each entitled to an additional place in the league phase, known as a European performance spot (EPS). The EPS is allocated to the club that finishes the relevant association's domestic championship in the highest position of all those that do not qualify for the league phase of the UEFA Champions League via the domestic championship (after any vacancies have been filled in accordance with Paragraph 3.04 to Paragraph 3.06). The two associations' overall quota of clubs qualifying to UEFA club competitions are each increased by one club.

3.08
Places in the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League made available by clubs allocated an EPS are filled as follows:

If a club allocated an EPS also qualifies for the UEFA Champions League qualifying phase or play-offs, its place in the qualifying phase or play-offs is allocated to the club that finishes the same association’s domestic championship in the highest position of all those that qualify for the league path of the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League.

If a club allocated an EPS also qualifies for the UEFA Europa League, its place in the UEFA Europa League is allocated to the club that finishes the same association’s domestic championship in the highest position of all those that qualify for the UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League.

If a club allocated an EPS also qualifies for the UEFA Conference League, its place in the UEFA Conference League is allocated to the club that finishes the same association’s domestic championship in the highest position of all those that qualify for the UEFA Conference League.

Each other representative of the domestic championship concerned enters the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League at the stage initially reserved for the club ranked immediately above it in the domestic championship. The highest-ranking domestic championship club that did not qualify for any UEFA club competition enters the UEFA Conference League (or the UEFA Europa League in accordance with Paragraph 3.03 of the Regulations of the UEFA Conference League) at the stage initially reserved for the association’s lowest-ranking qualifying domestic championship club.

3.09
UEFA issues a circular letter at the beginning of the season confirming the final adapted and rebalanced access list on the basis of the final results in the UEFA club competitions and the domestic competitions and addressing any scenario not covered by these regulations in accordance with the above rules and principles.

[S.S. Termopiliano]

Se le Merde pareggiano a Udine per me le scavalchiamo in due giornate (Napoli-Roma e Lazio-Verona e Roma-Juve e Monza-Lazio)...non capisco come il tifoso laziale sia così cagasotto e voli così in basso...

Diciamo che intanto tocca fare il nostro (che scontato non è), poi ovviamente speriamo in qualche risultato amico dagli altri campi e magari si aprono prospettive di classifica inaspettate fino a qualche settimana fa. Ma a prescindere da tutto dobbiamo di sicuro alzare la nostra media punti. Con quella attuale (1,57 e spiccioli) al massimo arriveremo a 59/60 quando invece tocca almeno farne 63 se non 64 (o meglio ancor a 65  ).

[gruz]

Vabbè, giusto perché continui, posto il regolamento, così forse capisci anche tu. La prossima volta però leggitelo da solo, per favore.




Article 3 Entries for the competition
3.01
Each UEFA member association (hereinafter association) may enter a certain number of clubs for the competition through its top domestic championship, in accordance with the association coefficient rankings drawn up in line with Annex D. These rankings determine the association’s position in the access list (Annex A), which in turn determines the stage at which each club enters the competition. Only one single team per club may be entered.

3.02
Associations are represented on the following basis (see Annex A):

one representative: winner of the top domestic championship;

two representatives: winner and runner-up of the top domestic championship;

three representatives: winner, runner-up and third-placed club in the top domestic championship;

four representatives: winner, runner-up, third-placed and fourth-placed clubs in the top domestic championship.

3.03
Additionally, the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League titleholders are each guaranteed a place in the league phase even if they do not qualify for the competition through their domestic championships. If the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League titleholder qualifies for the UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League through one of its domestic competitions, the number of places to which its association is entitled in the UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League is reduced by one.

3.04
If the UEFA Champions League and/or UEFA Europa League titleholder qualifies for the league phase of the competition through its domestic championship, the vacancy created in the league phase is filled as follows, in the following order (see Annex A):

A vacancy created by the UEFA Champions League titleholder is filled by the domestic champion with the highest individual club coefficient of all the clubs that qualify for the champions path. The champions path is adapted accordingly, with each subsequent vacancy filled by the club(s) with the highest individual club coefficient(s) of all the clubs in the previous round.

A vacancy created by the UEFA Europa League titleholder is filled by the club with the best individual club coefficient of all the clubs that qualify for the champions path and the league path, provided that this club is the highest ranked domestically of those from its association that have not already qualified for the league phase of the competition directly. If this condition of being the highest ranked domestic club is not met by the club with the highest individual club coefficient, then the position moves to the club with the next highest individual club coefficient of all clubs in the champions path and league path. Once the vacancy is filled, the champions path or league path is adapted accordingly, with each subsequent vacancy filled by the club(s) with the highest individual club coefficient(s) of all the clubs in the previous round of the corresponding path.

3.05
If the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League titleholder qualifies for the qualifying phase or play-offs of the competition, the respective qualifying rounds or play-offs are adapted accordingly, with each vacancy filled by the club(s) with the highest individual club coefficient(s) of all the clubs in the previous round of the corresponding path.

3.06
In the event of any other vacancies, and further knock-on effects in the UEFA Europa League and/or UEFA Conference League, priority is given to the best ranked club(s) in the UEFA Champions League or the domestic cup winner(s) in the UEFA Europa League and/or UEFA Conference League (or the club(s) replacing it if it qualifies for the UEFA Champions League) of the association ranked highest in the access list for the previous round of the corresponding path.

3.07
Finally, the two associations whose affiliated clubs achieved the best collective performance in the previous season of the UEFA men’s club competitions (i.e. best season club association coefficient), in accordance with the season coefficient principles (see Annex D.3), are each entitled to an additional place in the league phase, known as a European performance spot (EPS). The EPS is allocated to the club that finishes the relevant association's domestic championship in the highest position of all those that do not qualify for the league phase of the UEFA Champions League via the domestic championship (after any vacancies have been filled in accordance with Paragraph 3.04 to Paragraph 3.06). The two associations' overall quota of clubs qualifying to UEFA club competitions are each increased by one club.

3.08
Places in the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League made available by clubs allocated an EPS are filled as follows:

If a club allocated an EPS also qualifies for the UEFA Champions League qualifying phase or play-offs, its place in the qualifying phase or play-offs is allocated to the club that finishes the same association’s domestic championship in the highest position of all those that qualify for the league path of the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League.

If a club allocated an EPS also qualifies for the UEFA Europa League, its place in the UEFA Europa League is allocated to the club that finishes the same association’s domestic championship in the highest position of all those that qualify for the UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League.

If a club allocated an EPS also qualifies for the UEFA Conference League, its place in the UEFA Conference League is allocated to the club that finishes the same association’s domestic championship in the highest position of all those that qualify for the UEFA Conference League.

Each other representative of the domestic championship concerned enters the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League at the stage initially reserved for the club ranked immediately above it in the domestic championship. The highest-ranking domestic championship club that did not qualify for any UEFA club competition enters the UEFA Conference League (or the UEFA Europa League in accordance with Paragraph 3.03 of the Regulations of the UEFA Conference League) at the stage initially reserved for the association’s lowest-ranking qualifying domestic championship club.

3.09
UEFA issues a circular letter at the beginning of the season confirming the final adapted and rebalanced access list on the basis of the final results in the UEFA club competitions and the domestic competitions and addressing any scenario not covered by these regulations in accordance with the above rules and principles.

dai famo na cosa per taglia la testa al toro , quanto sei disposto a scommette ?  avendo tu letto il regolamento dovresti mette una cifra pesante no 

[claudio1]

dai famo na cosa per taglia la testa al toro , quanto sei disposto a scommette ?  avendo tu letto il regolamento dovresti mette una cifra pesante no 

Fammi capire, ti dico che scommetto 1000€ e poi me li dai? Non sei credibile. Non ammetti di essere stato superficiale neanche davanti all'evidenza del regolamento... ammetteresti di aver perso la scommessa solo se si manifestasse proprio quell'evento, cosa peraltro improbabile. E forse non pagheresti nemmeno.

[gruz]

Fammi capire, ti dico che scommetto 1000€ e poi me li dai? Non sei credibile. Non ammetti di essere stato superficiale neanche davanti all'evidenza del regolamento... ammetteresti di aver perso la scommessa solo se si manifestasse proprio quell'evento, cosa peraltro improbabile. E forse non pagheresti nemmeno.

ti giuro sui miei figli che te li do , ma onestamente speravo scommettessi qualcosa di piu visto che hai letto il regolamento 

[gruz]

anzi se mettiamo in mezzo una persona fidata glieli do subito a lui cosi non hai problemi a pensare che ti possa scammare

[gruz]

domani comuqneu mi informo con persona che ne dovrebbe sape a scanso di equivoci

[zorba]

Ah cmq magari cominciamo a venire tutti allo stadio domani, che forse conta di più.

[Cassia Biancazzaurra]

Ma se l'Atalanta arriva 5 in campionato e vince l'Europa League la 6 va in Champions?

[Fulmineblu]

Troppo difficile fare solo il tifoso.
I disamorati quando gioca la Lazio non si emozionano più.
Sono ossessionati dal gestore.
Che je frega di una semifinale di coppa Italia! Loro sono abituati alle finali di CL.

[Achab77]

Diciamo che intanto tocca fare il nostro (che scontato non è), poi ovviamente speriamo in qualche risultato amico dagli altri campi e magari si aprono prospettive di classifica inaspettate fino a qualche settimana fa. Ma a prescindere da tutto dobbiamo di sicuro alzare la nostra media punti. Con quella attuale (1,57 e spiccioli) al massimo arriveremo a 59/60 quando invece tocca almeno farne 63 se non 64 (o meglio ancor a 65  ).

Ma infatti il punto è che tutti danno per scontato che la Lazio possa tranquillamente vincerle tutte a parte una fino alla fine.
Abbiamo comunque uno svantaggio sensibile e le merde hanno 20 minuti in cui potrebbero battere la temibile udinese e, soprattutto, l'Atalanta giocherà probabilmente a campionato finito la partita con la Fiorentina, dove ballano 3 punti.
Le variabili sono infinite, e noi quest'anno siamo il contrario della parola "certezza".
Aggrappiamoci strenuamente a quell'1,7% perché è l'unica realtà della nostra lotta.