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« Risposta #10000 il: 15 Lug 2020, 01:16 »
Ma chi glielo doveva dire a sto pover’omo che avrebbe dovuto far ragionare quella colossale testa di minchia.

Lo trovo eroico.
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« Risposta #10001 il: 15 Lug 2020, 07:13 »
Che cialtroni !!!!
Terrorizzare la gente...non si sa per quale oscuro motivo.
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« Risposta #10002 il: 15 Lug 2020, 12:44 »
https://www.ilmessaggero.it/salute/ricerca/covid_scoperta_anticorpi_bambini_lattoferrina_ultime_notizie-5347932.html

Serve a qualcosa 'sta roba ai fini clinici? O è solo di interesse generico (cioè, bona per gli scienziati ma inutile per i cristiani malati)?

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« Risposta #10003 il: 15 Lug 2020, 12:50 »
la valenti era mia prof di microbiologia  :D
una pazza (in senso buono)

la ricerca di per se non c'è, l'articolo linkato è una meta-analisi, pubblicata su un giornaletto.
la ricerca in vitro non si trova.

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« Risposta #10004 il: 15 Lug 2020, 12:57 »
Però dice che la somministrazione c'è stata

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« Risposta #10005 il: 15 Lug 2020, 13:02 »
Però dice che la somministrazione c'è stata

si, ma se apri il paper, nell'abstract dice questo:

Recently, the world has been dealing with a devastating global pandemic coronavirus infection, with more than 12 million infected worldwide and over 300,000 deaths as of May 15th 2020, related to a novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV), characterized by a spherical morphology and identified through next-generation sequencing. Although the respiratory tract is the primary portal of entry of SARS-CoV-2, gastrointestinal involvement associated with nausea, vomiting and diarrhoea may also occur. No drug or vaccine has been approved due to the absence of evidence deriving from rigorous clinical trials. Increasing interest has been highlighted on the possible preventative role and adjunct treatment of lactoferrin, glycoprotein of human secretions part of a non-specific defensive system, known to play a crucial role against microbial and viral infections and exerting anti-inflammatory effects on different mucosal surfaces and able to regulate iron metabolism. In this review, analysing lactoferrin properties, we propose designing a clinical trial to evaluate and verify its effect using a dual combination treatment with local, solubilized intranasal spray formulation and oral administration. Lactoferrin could counteract the coronavirus infection and inflammation, acting either as natural barrier of both respiratory and intestinal mucosa or reverting the iron disorders related to the viral colonization.


poi leggi, e trovi:

However, Lf did not block the virus entry by the direct interaction of spike protein with ACE-2, the functional receptor of both SARS-CoV [83] and SARS-CoV-2 [41]. The current accepted model suggests that Lf could block viral entry by interacting with heparan sulfate proteoglycans (HSPGs), which mediate the transport of extracellular virus particles from the low affinity anchoring sites to the high affinity specific entry as ACE-2 [84]. Taken together, these results suggest that Lf could play a protective role in host defence against SARS-CoV-2 infection through binding to HSPGs, thus blocking the early interaction between SARS-CoV-2 and host cells.

e concludono

Taken together, we believe that all these properties justify designing a clinical trial to evaluate and verify if a local treatment of nasal mucosa with Lf solubilized in an intra-nasal spray formulation, and oral assumption of Lf, could counteract the coronavirus infection and inflammation. Lf acts either as a natural barrier of both respiratory and intestinal mucosa or reverting the iron disorders related to the viral colonization or modulating the immune response or down-regulating the pro-inflammatory cytokines released by the viral inflammation, without any risk of possible adverse events. Furthermore, the inclusion of Lf in preserving structures, such as liposomes, reduces gastric and intestinal denaturation while maintaining its integrity and therefore its biological functionality [95]. Lf could be used in asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic patients to prevent the worsening of SARS-CoV2. The Lf ideal dosage should be diversified on the basis of symptom severity. Asymptomatic COVID-19 patients should use 300 mg, orally administered, doubling the dosage (maximum 1gr) for mildly symptomatic patients [67]. We suggest maintaining the treatment at least until the COVID-19 buffer becomes negative.

tutte le citazioni nelle conclusioni sono vecchie.

in sintesi, articolo fuffa per prendere qualche finanziamento covid.

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« Risposta #10006 il: 15 Lug 2020, 13:05 »
Mamma mia. E via soldi, e noi doniamo. A me da mo' che non me ce fregano, ma tanti altri si. E l'omo campa.

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« Risposta #10007 il: 15 Lug 2020, 14:38 »
vabbè a me me sa che più passa il tempo e più fare affidamento sul vaccino a medio-breve termine non so quanto sia realistico

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« Risposta #10008 il: 15 Lug 2020, 15:12 »
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483?query=featured_coronavirus

Fase 1, ripeto Fase 1, abbastanza promettente per il vaccino di Moderna. L'ho letto di corsa ma a me sembra un Fase 2 (sia per primary endpoints che per numero di partecipanti), infatti fra pochi giorni partenza fase 3.


Qui https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04470427?term=moderna&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=1 il fase 3 che comincerà a giorni.

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« Risposta #10009 il: 15 Lug 2020, 15:21 »
Non riesco a leggere la tabella dei volontari. Co-morbidities?

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« Risposta #10010 il: 15 Lug 2020, 15:26 »
Non ne indicano. Indicano età, gruppo etnico e body mass index. Gran parte caucasici.

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« Risposta #10011 il: 15 Lug 2020, 15:43 »
BMI com'è?

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« Risposta #10012 il: 15 Lug 2020, 15:47 »
Di media intorno a 25 per i diversi gruppi che hanno preso dosi diverse.

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« Risposta #10013 il: 15 Lug 2020, 15:48 »
vabbè, mi sembrano risultati abb fallaci :D

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« Risposta #10014 il: 15 Lug 2020, 15:53 »
Lo leggerò con calma ma non vedo granché di fallace. Devo vedere meglio i tassi di neutralizing antibodies e i dettagli. Se sai, parla. :)

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« Risposta #10015 il: 15 Lug 2020, 16:07 »
la coorte scelta è scelta col lanternino. 55 è un cut-off interessante, come il BMI di 25 quando in USA più di 1/3 delle persone è sovrappeso.
inoltre, parlando dei risultati:

The 25-μg and 100-μg doses elicited CD4 T-cell responses (Figs. S9 and S10) that on stimulation by S-specific peptide pools were strongly biased toward expression of Th1 cytokines (tumor necrosis factor α > interleukin 2 > interferon γ)*, with minimal type 2 helper T-cell (Th2) cytokine expression (interleukin 4 and interleukin 13). CD8 T-cell responses to S-2P were detected at low levels after the second vaccination in the 100-μg dose group

quindi fondamentalmente hanno infiammazione in atto, che non mi sembra ottima come cosa.

poi:

However, interpretation of the significance of those comparisons must account for the variability in Covid-19 convalescent antibody titers according to factors such as patient age, disease severity, and time since disease onset and for the number of samples in the panel. (no? davvero?)

e ancora:

In this interim report of follow-up of participants through day 57, we were not able to assess the durability of the immune responses; however, participants will be followed for 1 year after the second vaccination with scheduled blood collections throughout that period to characterize the humoral and cellular immunologic responses. (però iniziano phase 3 così, sulla fiducia).

avrei domande: hanno escluse 3 pazienti dalla seconda somministrazione perché in "isolation for suspected Covid-19 while the test results, ultimately negative, were pending". perché? qual è il senso di provare un vaccino in questo modo?

ci sarebbero 100k domande. ma parliamo col team USA questo venerdì  :)

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« Risposta #10016 il: 15 Lug 2020, 16:18 »
A me sembri più duro del necessario. C'è una messa in atto di una risposta dose-dependant (di nuovo, non ho letto nel dettaglio) e una discreta assenza di effetti secondari importanti, che per un Fase 1 è più che sufficiente e più importante delle tue obiezioni, imho. Se gli americani so ciccioni cazzi loro, per un Fase 1 non puoi coprire tutte le comorbidità.
The durability è impossibile da stabilire per un periodo più lungo del trial, mi pare ovvio.

A me pare sufficiente per una fase 2-3. Si fa sempre in tempo a chiudere, intanto in fase 1 non s'è fatto male nessuno.

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« Risposta #10017 il: 15 Lug 2020, 16:22 »
probabilmente hai ragione

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« Risposta #10018 il: 15 Lug 2020, 16:27 »
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

Article
Published: 15 July 2020
This is an unedited manuscript that has been accepted for publication. Nature Research are providing this early version of the manuscript as a service to our authors and readers. The manuscript will undergo copyediting, typesetting and a proof review before it is published in its final form. Please note that during the production process errors may be discovered which could affect the content, and all legal disclaimers apply.

SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell immunity in cases of COVID-19 and SARS, and uninfected controls

Nina Le Bert, Anthony T. Tan, Kamini Kunasegaran, Christine Y. L. Tham, Morteza Hafezi, Adeline Chia, Melissa Hui Yen Chng, Meiyin Lin, Nicole Tan, Martin Linster, Wan Ni Chia, Mark I-Cheng Chen, Lin-Fa Wang, Eng Eong Ooi, Shirin Kalimuddin, Paul Anantharajal Tambyah, Jenny Guek-Hong Low, Yee-Joo Tan & Antonio Bertoletti
Nature (2020)


Memory T cells induced by previous pathogens can shape the susceptibility to, and clinical severity of, subsequent infections1. Little is known about the presence of pre-existing memory T cells in humans with the potential to recognize SARS-CoV-2. Here, we first studied T cell responses to structural (nucleocapsid protein, NP) and non-structural (NSP-7 and NSP13 of ORF1) regions of SARS-CoV-2 in COVID-19 convalescents (n=36). In all of them we demonstrated the presence of CD4 and CD8 T cells recognizing multiple regions of the NP protein. We then showed that SARS-recovered patients (n=23) still possess long-lasting memory T cells reactive to SARS-NP 17 years after the 2003 outbreak, which displayed robust cross-reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 NP. Surprisingly, we also frequently detected SARS-CoV-2 specific T cells in individuals with no history of SARS, COVID-19 or contact with SARS/COVID-19 patients (n=37). SARS-CoV-2 T cells in uninfected donors exhibited a different pattern of immunodominance, frequently targeting the ORF-1-coded proteins NSP7 and 13 as well as the NP structural protein. Epitope characterization of NSP7-specific T cells showed recognition of protein fragments with low homology to “common cold” human coronaviruses but conserved amongst animal betacoranaviruses. Thus, infection with betacoronaviruses induces multispecific and long-lasting T cell immunity to the structural protein NP. Understanding how pre-existing NP- and ORF-1-specific T cells present in the general population impact susceptibility and pathogenesis of SARS-CoV-2 infection is of paramount importance for the management of the current COVID-19 pandemic.

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Re:coronavirus
« Risposta #10019 il: 15 Lug 2020, 16:34 »
Eccellente notizia, clamoroso quello che ce l'ha senza infezione! :lol:
Magari con la risposta T cominciamo a spiegarci alcune delle assurdità di questo contagio.
 

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