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Jong Tae-Se
« il: 15 Giu 2010, 20:48 »
quelli che piangono durante l'inno nazionale


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Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #1 il: 15 Giu 2010, 21:26 »
Piange perchè per la prima volta in vita sua sta per giocare di fronte a migliaia di persone, ad un mondiale e contro il brasile. E' fra i pochi eletti che hanno varcato il confine del suo stato visto che neanche una delegazione politica è stata fatta uscire dalla Corea del Nord. Non credo provi alcun sentimento di appartenenza al suo Stato, governato da una dittatura.
A parte ciò, mi ha fatto un effetto incredibile vederlo piangere, è una di quelle cose che non ti aspetti perchè non credi potranno mai verificarsi durante una partita di calcio

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« Risposta #2 il: 15 Giu 2010, 21:27 »
E' l'unico che non aveva ancora smesso di piangere dalla Corea.

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Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #3 il: 15 Giu 2010, 21:34 »
Piange perchè per la prima volta in vita sua sta per giocare di fronte a migliaia di persone, ad un mondiale e contro il brasile. E' fra i pochi eletti che hanno varcato il confine del suo stato visto che neanche una delegazione politica è stata fatta uscire dalla Corea del Nord. Non credo provi alcun sentimento di appartenenza al suo Stato, governato da una dittatura.
A parte ciò, mi ha fatto un effetto incredibile vederlo piangere, è una di quelle cose che non ti aspetti perchè non credi potranno mai verificarsi durante una partita di calcio
...alla radio hanno detto che gioca nel Rubin Kazan, secondo Wikipedia in Giappone col Kawasaki Frontale  8) (che nome)
Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #4 il: 15 Giu 2010, 22:07 »
La dignitosa Corea del primo tempo e' sparita. Lo potevamo immaginare.
Anche Jong non sembra piu' il gagliardo lottatore del primo tempo. Su di lui, The “People’s Wayne Rooney” , e la sua nazionale si trova qualche artcolo in lingua inglese online, oltre alle notizie gia' citate.

Dal Guadian online (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/30/jong-tae-se-north-korea-wayne-rooney)

Jong Tae-se is North Korea's answer to Wayne Rooney
The 'People's Rooney' tells John Duerden what a place in the World Cup means to his country
John Duerden The Observer, Sunday 30 May 2010 Article history

The North Korean football team has taken off its veil," wrote the Seoul media after their northern neighbours drew 2-2 with Greece in a World Cup warm-up in Switzerland on Tuesday. For the next few weeks the face that is revealed to the world, at least as far as football fans are concerned, will for a change not be that of a short, bespectacled dictator. The Dear Leader, Kim Jong-il, will be upstaged by "the People's Rooney", Jong Tae-se, a steely-eyed footballer full of passion, ambition, power and not a little humour: a popular goalscorer who, if he has his way, will soon be playing in the Premier League.

Jong is already a star in east Asia. He took the 2008 East Asian Championship by storm in China; is one of the top strikers in Japan's J-League; has appeared in television adverts alongside Manchester United's Park Ji-sung in South Korea; and, most unusually in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, where supporters do little more than clap at football matches, has had his name chanted by 80,000 fans at Kim Il-sung Stadium in Pyongyang. Now he is ready to take on the world.

Jong's two sumptuous strikes against Greece – the first a 25-yard shot that crashed in off the bar, the second a fierce strike from a tight angle after a burst of acceleration past a defender – may even have caused a few frowns in the training camps of World Cup Group G opponents Brazil, Ivory Coast and Portugal.

Over green tea in the ground floor restaurant in the Kanagawa Science Park, a hotel in Kawasaki just outside Tokyo where Jong plays his club football, it is hard to stop the 26-year-old talking. In his deep, rich voice, he announces: "I want to score a goal a game at the World Cup, one goal a game, that is my target." And then? "I want to play in England."

It would complete an unusual journey. Jong was born, raised and still lives in Japan. There were reports in Seoul that his parents were South Korean but the player denies that this is the case and he appeared on the cover of South Korea's FourFourTwo magazine in 2008 above the headline: "I am not South Korean". Once he entered the pro-northern education system that operates in Japan's large Korean community, there was only one team he was going to play for.

"I was born as a North Korean and went to a North Korean school just like many people in Japan do and many of my friends did. My mother is from North Korea. My father was brought up in Japan and went to a Japanese school but despite that he thought of himself as North Korean and I do, too."

Midfielder Ahn Yong-hak is another Japan-based North Korea international. Such players, who earn about £4,000 a week, go to Pyongyang on football-related visits only. Their team-mates earn a minimal state allowance and play for clubs such as the army outfit 25 April and Amroggang, one that has produced seven "heroes of the republic" in athletics and football. There is no professional football north of the 38th parallel, where matches draw sparse crowds. There are no divides in the DPRK dressing room, however. "I am not the first North Korean player to be based in Japan and the other players have always been really nice to me. They just wanted to know information about Japan and the J-League … It was really impressive the way the players welcomed me and the way the North Korean government and people treated me."

Politics is the one issue that Jong will not talk about, on or off the record. Another no-no, though he enthused about it when the recorder was switched off, was the trial he undertook at a Premier League club earlier this year. He will not name the club, but says he realised he was not quite good enough. He believes he can improve, however, and at the World Cup millions of fans around the world will get to see for themselves as he has the chance to compare himself to the best around.

He has been nicknamed Inminui Rooney – the People's Rooney – because of his aggressive and hard-working style and stocky build, but he thinks that it is not the best moniker. "I don't dislike being compared to Rooney, he is one of the greatest strikers in the world so it is a big honour, but my style of play is different to his. My benchmark is Didier Drogba.

"I want to play in England. When I was at high school, Italy's Serie A was the most popular league but with the help of cable television, I started watching English football and I really enjoyed the stadiums, the atmosphere and the passion. Years ago, I used to train wearing a Blackburn Rovers shirt." Was this a common sight? "I don't think so," he says, laughing. "In Japan, there were not many people wearing Blackburn shirts. I just went to the shop and bought one because I liked it."

He may get close to the real thing after the summer. The last North Koreans to play in England famously defeated Italy on their way to a thrilling quarter-final with Portugal in the 1966 World Cup, in which the Asians took a 3-0 lead before losing 5-3. "We know the history of course," Jong says. "It will be tough to repeat it but we will give everything. Our technique is not better than the likes of South Korea and Japan but in terms of mentality and physicality, we are better than any other in Asia. Nobody really expects us to do much at the World Cup and there will be little criticism even if we lose all the games. If we win, that will be beyond our wildest dreams."

Despite the presence of Drogba in the Ivory Coast team, Jong is more excited about the opening game on 15 June. "I am looking forward to facing all three teams, especially Brazil with their history and football tradition. It will be a great experience to play such a team."

It will be a far cry from the 2007 preliminary qualifier against Mongolia – the first step on a long road to South Africa. Later came four games against South Korea. When the two teams lined up before an emotional match in Shanghai (the match was moved from Pyongyang as North Korea refused to fly the southern flag or play their anthem) tears rolled down the striker's cheek. On the back of a solid defence and a quick counterattack, North Korea finished second in a tough final group containing Saudi Arabia, Iran, the United Arab Emirates and South Korea.

"We never really thought about qualification before the final round but game by game we improved a lot and we were able to stop our opponents from playing to their strengths," Jong says. "I was very happy as qualification progressed because my team-mates were getting better and better."

Claiming the runners-up spot was a tense affair. By the final day, South Korea had already won the group and were taking on Iran in Seoul. An away win would have left North Korea needing a victory in Saudi Arabia. That was on the cards as Iran were leading until Park equalised with nine minutes remaining. It meant that, thousands of miles to the west and a few hours later, North Korea needed only a draw in Riyadh.

Jong watched the Seoul match in his hotel room in the Saudi capital as he tried to relax before the game. "Park Ji-sung gave us the best-ever assist. He gave us a great chance. It was so exciting. I was with Ahn Yong-hak and we were hugging each other and jumping up and down when Park Ji-sung scored. We knew that we only needed a draw and I had faith that we could do the job in Saudi Arabia. We play defensively and I knew that few strikers can easily penetrate our defence." They held out for a goalless draw.

"At the final whistle, I was so happy and so excited. I cried for a long time. When we went back to our hotel, we intended to go out for a drink and have a good time but all of us were really tired. We just had dinner and went to bed.

"Many of the team went back to Pyongyang and had a great reception. I couldn't go but as you can imagine as North Korea hasn't qualified for the World Cup since 1966 then everyone there was so happy when we qualified, so excited."

It was a triumph for the coach, Kim Jong-hun. Little is known about him, other than that he is gruff, likes to wear trenchcoats, and does not take kindly to journalists who refer to his team as North Korea rather than DPRK. His players speak highly of him but the team's biggest problem, like the coach's, is a lack of international experience. In the past, friendlies have been as few and far between as visitors to Pyongyang. Nigeria were due to go there in April but backed out when it became apparent that they were expected to bear the costs themselves. The team have not been idle, however, and at least from a football perspective, North Korea are internationalising at breakneck speed with trips to Africa, South America and Europe in recent months.

It has not all gone smoothly. A game with Chile was cancelled because of an earthquake in the South American country in February, a game in China was scrapped after food poisoning, and a training camp in Zimbabwe was called off after locals protested about Korea's planned visit because, back in the early 1980s, North Korea helped to train a Zimbabwean army brigade that slaughtered at least 20,000 Ndebele people in the part of the country where the team were due to train.

There is still support from elsewhere, however. Few fans, if any, from the nation itself are expected to go to South Africa but a number from the Korean community in Japan will travel and the Beijing office of the North Korean Sports Committee has given 1,000 tickets to Chinese fans. There is also a Beijing-based international fan group, DPR Korea Football Supporters Association, organised by two Englishmen, who will send 300 fans to cheer the team from all over the world. With South Korea sending just a few hundred Red Devils, due to the cost, distance and fears about security – widely reported in east Asia – the North could actually be better supported than their neighbours.

But Jong hopes that the 2002 semi-finalists perform well in South Africa and he even has a regular column that appears in the Seoul media. It still continues despite the increase in tension between the two countries. On 24 May, South Korea publicly accused Pyongyang of having sunk the Cheonan, a navy corvette, in the Yellow Sea in March. Forty-six young sailors lost their lives. The chairman of South Korea's bid to host the 2022 World Cup, Han Sung-joo, a former foreign minister, remains keen to have North Korea involved in the tournament if possible. Jong certainly hopes that it is.

"If the World Cup comes to Pyongyang it would be beyond our wildest dreams. The people are already excited about the World Cup in South Africa, having a World Cup on home soil would be something else. It was impressive watching South Korea reach the last four back in 2002 and if North Korea has home advantage then we could perform well also.

"It may not be easy politically to be united but sport can unite people. If there are games in South Korea and North Korea, then that can contribute to peace on the Korean peninsula."


Dal sito londonkoreanlinks.net

The curious case of Jong Tae-se
by Aashish Gadhvi on 13 November, 2009
Aashish Gadhvi analyses the so-called defector in the Northern ranks.

North Korea’s qualification for the 2010 World Cup has brought about many questions in international football. Not least of all, the desire for more information about the team. Most of all, who are these guys? The mystery surrounding the team is pretty much the same level of mystery which surrounds the country itself. Even the most adamant of football fans, such as myself, struggle to find any information about the North Korean team. However, there is one guy who sticks out like a sore thumb. Jong Tae-se, remember the name, is one of a very few players in the North Korean team who doesn’t play in the North, but his tale is a very intriguing one, even to the neutral.

Jong Tae-se is a 25-year-old striker who plays for Kawasaki Frontale in the J-League, Japan’s premier division. He is a powerful lad, who can score goals and hold the ball up, something which Asian players have had trouble doing, but then again Jong Tae-se is no ordinary Asian lad. Born in Japan in 1984, Jong’s parents were South Koreans, although other sources have suggested that they were from the North. Jong as a youngster was educated in North Korean state-funded schools in Japan. Any of you who have seen the Japanese movie GO! would be familiar with these kind of schools. There are a few in Japan, but the few that do exist preach very much in the vein of schools in the North, i.e. loving the Dear Leader. This education no doubt helped to fuel Jong’s pro-North attitude. Little else is known about the youngster’s days in education except that he continued to go to North Korean state-sponsored schools, and started a love affair with the beautiful game.

Many of the stories which surround his national allegiance are just that – stories, but the general consensus goes like this. While watching North Korea’s defeat to Japan, thus failing to qualify for the 2006 World Cup, Jong was stirred inside, and finally decided that he wished to represent North Korea as his national team. Having always felt like a North Korean, Jong had made attempts to change his nationality and denounce his South Korean citizenship (inherited from his parents) but the request was turned down due to the South failing to acknowledge the North as a legitimate state. But with the help of some North Korean organizations in Japan, he was successfully allowed to have a North Korean passport. Through some loop holes in FIFA’s dual-citizenship laws, Jong was allowed to play for the North, although this no doubt is a very confusing area. Nevertheless Jong was allowed to represent the country that he wanted to represent. What he and his parents must have thought at the time can only be left to the imagination.

Whatever the political consequences of effectively defecting to the North are, it did not effect Jong’s performance on the pitch: it rather boosted his play. In his first two games for North Korea, Jong scored an incredible 8 goals, 4 in both matches, although they were against Mongolia and Macau! This was followed up with scoring against both Japan and South Korea in the 2008 East Asia Cup. Both of the goals he scored displayed his power, and in the case of the goal against the South, effortlessly shrugged off two defenders to chip the goalkeeper. But sadly for Jong, that’s where the goals ended. During the entire 2010 World Cup qualifiers (a total of 11 games) he only scored once, and that too in a 2-1 loss to Iran. Due to the lack of footage I have seen of Jong, I can only imagine that his primary job is probably to use his strength to hold the ball up as a lone striker. The fact that North Korea qualified with 7 draws in total throughout the campaign while Jong was playing seems to point to that conclusion.

Perhaps one of the best traits of Jong is that he is not afraid to give interviews. More importantly he is not afraid to express his opinions. In the past he has blasted his teammates for lack of effort and was one of the only players who came out and openly stated he had experienced great illness after the North accused the South of intentional food poisoning before their match up in Seoul. Whatever secrets still exist about the North, players like Jong are slowly lifting up the iron curtain, but one can only speculate how he will get on under the magnifying glass of football’s biggest stage in South Africa.
Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #5 il: 15 Giu 2010, 22:14 »
Peccato, Juan gli nega la gloria, chissa' come avrebbe esultato dopo un gol al Brasile. In compenso segna un suo compagno e il commentatore rai dice che il tecnico deve essere orgoglioso della squadra. Come tutto il Paese, ribatte Dossena. Mah.

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« Risposta #6 il: 15 Giu 2010, 22:16 »
Sono veramente contento per la Corea del Nord; stasera hanno fatto veramente una gran bella figura; sono stati battuti da 2 invenzioni di un Brasile fortissimo; e poi il gol, che il giocatore nord-coreano non dimenticherà mai; poi il piccolo assedio finale; con i 2 tiri; veramente tutto bello; questa è stata indubbiamente la partita più bella del mondiale in tutti i sensi.

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Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #7 il: 15 Giu 2010, 22:27 »
Visto l'utilizzo politico che ne avrebbero fatto i loro leader, bene che abbia perso.

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Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #8 il: 15 Giu 2010, 22:38 »
Piange perchè per la prima volta in vita sua sta per giocare di fronte a migliaia di persone, ad un mondiale e contro il brasile. E' fra i pochi eletti che hanno varcato il confine del suo stato visto che neanche una delegazione politica è stata fatta uscire dalla Corea del Nord. Non credo provi alcun sentimento di appartenenza al suo Stato, governato da una dittatura.
A parte ciò, mi ha fatto un effetto incredibile vederlo piangere, è una di quelle cose che non ti aspetti perchè non credi potranno mai verificarsi durante una partita di calcio

Il commentatore spagnolo (che è un mostro, conosce tutti i calciatori del globo: curriculum, squadre in cui militano, caratteristiche... :roll:) ha detto che Tae Se è nato in Giappone da madre sudcoreana e padre nordcoreano. Ha triplo passaporto ma si è sempre considerato nordcoreano per l'educazione ricevuta.
Pur avendo diritto alla nazionalità, sembra sia sempre stato "ripudiato"e mai riconosciuto come cittadino della Corea del Nord. Per questo è per lui un motivo di orgoglio vestire quella maglia e rappresentare la propria nazione. Diceva, oltretutto, che non è la prima volta che scoppia in lacrime sentendo l'inno nazionale ( ha citato pure tre/quattro partite improbabili in cui l'ha visto piangere.... :roll:).

Giocatore molto interessante, comunque.

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Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #9 il: 15 Giu 2010, 22:46 »
comunque per ora le uniche due emozioni di questo mondiale me le hanno date le due Coree!

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« Risposta #10 il: 15 Giu 2010, 23:05 »
Per ora è la partita che m'è piaciuta di più di tutto il mondiale.

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Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #11 il: 15 Giu 2010, 23:36 »
Piange perchè per la prima volta in vita sua sta per giocare di fronte a migliaia di persone, ad un mondiale e contro il brasile. E' fra i pochi eletti che hanno varcato il confine del suo stato visto che neanche una delegazione politica è stata fatta uscire dalla Corea del Nord. Non credo provi alcun sentimento di appartenenza al suo Stato, governato da una dittatura.
A parte ciò, mi ha fatto un effetto incredibile vederlo piangere, è una di quelle cose che non ti aspetti perchè non credi potranno mai verificarsi durante una partita di calcio
Ha triplo passaporto (giapponese,sud coreano e nord coreano),avrebbe potuto fare un'altra scelta.
Per me si è emozionato per il suo paese("paese").

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Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #12 il: 15 Giu 2010, 23:49 »
Piange perchè per la prima volta in vita sua sta per giocare di fronte a migliaia di persone, ad un mondiale e contro il brasile. E' fra i pochi eletti che hanno varcato il confine del suo stato visto che neanche una delegazione politica è stata fatta uscire dalla Corea del Nord. Non credo provi alcun sentimento di appartenenza al suo Stato, governato da una dittatura.
A parte ciò, mi ha fatto un effetto incredibile vederlo piangere, è una di quelle cose che non ti aspetti perchè non credi potranno mai verificarsi durante una partita di calcio

ma prima di scrivere, informarsi no eh ?????

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Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #13 il: 15 Giu 2010, 23:51 »
"Jong later chose to discard his South Korean citizenship to take up a North Korean citizenship"

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Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #14 il: 16 Giu 2010, 01:08 »
Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #15 il: 16 Giu 2010, 02:39 »
Piange perchè per la prima volta in vita sua sta per giocare di fronte a migliaia di persone, ad un mondiale e contro il brasile. E' fra i pochi eletti che hanno varcato il confine del suo stato visto che neanche una delegazione politica è stata fatta uscire dalla Corea del Nord. Non credo provi alcun sentimento di appartenenza al suo Stato, governato da una dittatura.
A parte ciò, mi ha fatto un effetto incredibile vederlo piangere, è una di quelle cose che non ti aspetti perchè non credi potranno mai verificarsi durante una partita di calcio
Eh? Ma dove lo hai letto questo? Su libero, scommetto. O il giornale. O l'ha detto il tg4.

Jong was born in Nagoya, Japan to 2nd generation South Korean parents with South Korean citizenship. His mother identifed herself as a North Korean and sent him to attend a Chongryon school[1] where he started football at its elementary school club. After graduating from a local Chongryon high school, he attended Korea University (Japan), a private university in Tokyo funded by the North Korean government.
Jong later chose to discard his South Korean citizenship to take up a North Korean citizenship. The South Korean government officially does not recognize North Korea as a country and also does not allow dual citizenship in the case of adult citizens and hence Jong was unable to give up his citizenship. Chongryon, the DPRK's de facto embassy in Japan, issued a North Korean passport to him.

Chong Tese è GIAPPONESE, ma avendo parentele coreane, ha frequentato una scuola, appunto per coreani a Tokyo. Poteva giocare sia per il Giappone (Dove è nato e cresciuto!) e sia per la Corea del Sud, ma ha scelto di vestire la maglia della Corea del Nord per una ragione di cuore.

E' fra i pochi eletti che hanno varcato il confine del suo stato  ---> Prima bufala.

Non credo provi alcun sentimento di appartenenza al suo Stato  ---> Sbagliatissimo, anzi, il sentimento è fortissimo, altrimenti avrebbe potuto liberamente scegliere Giappone o Sud Corea.

Dittatura. ---> Ok, dittatura. Ma nel mondo le cose non vanno meglio. Continuo a preferire ideologicamente la dittatura Nordcoreana alla Nato e agli stati uniti. Ma non è questo il topic per parlarne. Cosa c'entra col mondiale?

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Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #16 il: 16 Giu 2010, 05:09 »
Mamma mia ragazzi un po' di Zen nel rapportarci l'un l'altro. Non credo che Mexo abbia scritto cio' che ha scritto in mala fede. Non credo che bisogna essere capitalisti filo americani o fascisti per pensare che la dittatura in Korea del Nord non sia un cosa piacevole. E grazie al Guardian sappiamo qualcosa di piu', ma non nega necessariamente cio' che dice Mexo. Dice (il guardian) solo che non parla di politica, che va a Pyongyang solo per le partite della nazionale e che piange spesso durante l'inno nazionale, cosa che mi fa pensare piu' al razzismo di cui e' probabilmente vittima un coreano in Giappone, che di astio per la Nato. Prima che qualcuno mi accusi, sono profondamente di sinistra, anticapitalista e anti-imperialismo americano, ma cio' non mi fa pensare che il regime di pyongyang sia dalla parte dei giusti.

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Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #17 il: 16 Giu 2010, 08:55 »
ma non è che piangeva per i 100 milioni di morti causati dal comunismo?






(sì, mrmoto, magari non l'ha scritto in malafede... però, come dice giustamente qualcuno, poteva almeno informarsi, prima di trasmetterci il telegramma standard contro la dittatura comunista... in fondo questo è un luogo pubblico, è anche abbastanza normale che, a fronte di inesattezze, esca fuori qualcuno che te lo fa notare senza troppe cerimonie...)

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Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #18 il: 16 Giu 2010, 09:05 »
(Se adesso rimettiamo pure in discussione l'obbrobrio quasi inarrivabile del regime nord coreano, allora stamo messi bene...)

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Re:Jong Tae-Se
« Risposta #19 il: 16 Giu 2010, 09:11 »
secondo me piange perché quando fai un Frontale con un Kawasaki, la tua macchina la devi buttà
 

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