Serie A 20-21, le altre (topic unico)

Aperto da Gulp, 02 Set 2020, 11:01

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Comunque Cagliari - Toro è una partita di una bruttezza unica...

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Fai come me, guardati il Cantante Mascherato :D

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Citazione di: Gulp il 19 Feb 2021, 22:06
Fai come me, guardati il Cantante Mascherato :D

No e dai, il cantante mascherato noooooo... :=))

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mesà che difra è arrivato al capolinea, toro in vantaggio con bremher

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il Cagliari lo vedo brutto.... 8)

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Hanno fatto bene a rinnovare di Francesco, allenatore di serie b così si sono portati avanti con il lavoro

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E cairo la sfanga pure quest'anno me sa, l'erba cattiva non muore mai li mortacci sua

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Citazione di: Cesio il 19 Feb 2021, 22:23
E cairo la sfanga pure quest'anno me sa, l'erba cattiva non muore mai li mortacci sua

Praticamente la lotta salvezza finisce qui.. quindi dieci squadre senza più interessi da qui alla fine :( :(

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cragno a mezzi co' belotti salva il raddoppio

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Vedo molto male il Cagliari invece credo che il Torino si potrebbe salvare.
Per me in b andranno Crotone,  Parma e forse Cagliari.

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Ma 'sto Bremer?
Alla fine me pare discreto.
(E comunque Cragno in mezzo ai pali è un gatto)

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Per i fan delle statistiche Bremer è un mezzo fetish, avevo letto un articolo a riguardo

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Citazione di: AquiladiMare il 19 Feb 2021, 22:25
Praticamente la lotta salvezza finisce qui.. quindi dieci squadre senza più interessi da qui alla fine :( :(

Quindi tanti altri punti regalati per la riomma, che si avvia verso il suo ennesimo "recordeee", quello dei punti contro le squadre della colonna destra della classifica.

Comunque non darei ancora la lotta per la salvezza per chiusa; bastano due vittorie e tornerebbero in gioco in tante.

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Citazione di: Gulp il 19 Feb 2021, 23:00
Per i fan delle statistiche Bremer è un mezzo fetish, avevo letto un articolo a riguardo

In che senso "mezzo fetish"?

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Citazione di: Ranxerox il 19 Feb 2021, 23:10
In che senso "mezzo fetish"?

Il primo articolo valutava un po' di centrali che sarebbero potuti essere utili al Liverpool, di ottobre

"The Athletic's choice
The last option is a player that The Athletic has identified, using data from smarterscout, who has all of the requisite skills to play at the back for Liverpool.

Employing a similar process to the one used in July when we successfully highlighted Kostas Tsimikas as a potential left-back option for Liverpool, we have identified Torino's Gleison Bremer as a data-backed target.

The process to get to Bremer considers all of the criteria that Liverpool's scouts themselves will be taking into account when creating their shortlists. The goal is to find a feasible target of a good age, who played at least 900 minutes as a left centre-back last season.

Given Liverpool's transfer policy since Klopp joined has been to sign players aged 26 or younger, unless given great reason to do otherwise, that's the first criteria in the search.

The pool of leagues Liverpool recruit from is usually quite restricted — the top five European leagues and teams that feature in either the Champions League or Europa League — so only players who have featured in those competitions are kept in.

The next step is to find players who are comfortable on the ball, able to retain possession at high levels and also progress it forwards. Finally, any seemingly unlikely players are removed from the list (eg, Matthijs de Ligt would not a feasible option financially).

Bremer, who joined Torino from Atletico Mineiro in his Brazilian homeland in 2018, is definitely a defence-first centre-back and his gifts in possession may not quite be at the level required to hold down a regular starting spot for Liverpool, but he would develop that side of his game over time.

He's a great reader of the game and aggressive in stepping up to intercept the ball, reflected by a rating of 92 in the pizza chart below in terms of his recoveries and interceptions.



The 23-year-old is pretty average when it comes to aerial duels in open play and slightly worse from set-piece situations, but Bremer is a very strong tackler — among the very best in Europe."




Il secondo articolo parla della stessa cosa, è della stessa testata ma di fine gennaio

"Gleison Bremer
In Bremer, we return to a player who was tipped in October as The Athletic's choice for a Liverpool target by our football analytics writer, Tom Worville. Bremer had a strong campaign at left centre-back for Torino last season and has been someone that Liverpool have followed closely.

This season, the 23-year-old has been deployed largely as a right centre-back, which highlights his versatility to play as either one of a centre-back pairing. It was previously highlighted in October that Bremer still required time to develop his game in possession. Looking at his smarterscout statistics (a site which gives detailed analytics on players all over the world, producing a score between 0-99), he is certainly more active on the ball this season — as shown by his link-up play volume (78 out of 99) and his carry and dribble volume (83 out of 99).



While his ability to retain the ball remains fairly low (35 out of 99), this would no doubt improve with the calibre of players around him at Liverpool.

What remains unchanged is Bremer's strong reading of the game and ability to intercept the ball, shown by his rating of 87 out of 99 for recoveries and interceptions. He is very much a front-foot defender, further highlighted by his defending intensity (99 out of 99). This means he will often apply pressure and be proactive in his defensive actions where relevant, rather than passively defending with blocks and clearances.

His ability in the air was previously cited as a trait that he could improve upon. In open play, his aerial duel rating (34 out of 99) is nowhere near as proficient as Van Dijk or Matip.

At 6ft tall, he is unlikely to have as much aerial presence as Liverpool's current crop do — but he makes up for it with his defensive intensity and reading of the game.

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beh lotta salvezza chiusa con 16 partite da giocare mi pare eccessivo...il toro ha 5 punti di vantaggio  e quelle sopra 9...non mi sembrano distanze di sicurezza...se domenica il parma vince le distanze si riducono a 4 punti per  il toro e a 8 per le altre se non fanno punti...mi pare presto per tirare i remi in barca almeno fino alle squadre a 25 punti...

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Citazione di: Gulp il 19 Feb 2021, 23:22
Il primo articolo valutava un po' di centrali che sarebbero potuti essere utili al Liverpool, di ottobre

"The Athletic's choice
The last option is a player that The Athletic has identified, using data from smarterscout, who has all of the requisite skills to play at the back for Liverpool.

Employing a similar process to the one used in July when we successfully highlighted Kostas Tsimikas as a potential left-back option for Liverpool, we have identified Torino's Gleison Bremer as a data-backed target.

The process to get to Bremer considers all of the criteria that Liverpool's scouts themselves will be taking into account when creating their shortlists. The goal is to find a feasible target of a good age, who played at least 900 minutes as a left centre-back last season.

Given Liverpool's transfer policy since Klopp joined has been to sign players aged 26 or younger, unless given great reason to do otherwise, that's the first criteria in the search.

The pool of leagues Liverpool recruit from is usually quite restricted — the top five European leagues and teams that feature in either the Champions League or Europa League — so only players who have featured in those competitions are kept in.

The next step is to find players who are comfortable on the ball, able to retain possession at high levels and also progress it forwards. Finally, any seemingly unlikely players are removed from the list (eg, Matthijs de Ligt would not a feasible option financially).

Bremer, who joined Torino from Atletico Mineiro in his Brazilian homeland in 2018, is definitely a defence-first centre-back and his gifts in possession may not quite be at the level required to hold down a regular starting spot for Liverpool, but he would develop that side of his game over time.

He's a great reader of the game and aggressive in stepping up to intercept the ball, reflected by a rating of 92 in the pizza chart below in terms of his recoveries and interceptions.



The 23-year-old is pretty average when it comes to aerial duels in open play and slightly worse from set-piece situations, but Bremer is a very strong tackler — among the very best in Europe."




Il secondo articolo parla della stessa cosa, è della stessa testata ma di fine gennaio

"Gleison Bremer
In Bremer, we return to a player who was tipped in October as The Athletic's choice for a Liverpool target by our football analytics writer, Tom Worville. Bremer had a strong campaign at left centre-back for Torino last season and has been someone that Liverpool have followed closely.

This season, the 23-year-old has been deployed largely as a right centre-back, which highlights his versatility to play as either one of a centre-back pairing. It was previously highlighted in October that Bremer still required time to develop his game in possession. Looking at his smarterscout statistics (a site which gives detailed analytics on players all over the world, producing a score between 0-99), he is certainly more active on the ball this season — as shown by his link-up play volume (78 out of 99) and his carry and dribble volume (83 out of 99).



While his ability to retain the ball remains fairly low (35 out of 99), this would no doubt improve with the calibre of players around him at Liverpool.

What remains unchanged is Bremer's strong reading of the game and ability to intercept the ball, shown by his rating of 87 out of 99 for recoveries and interceptions. He is very much a front-foot defender, further highlighted by his defending intensity (99 out of 99). This means he will often apply pressure and be proactive in his defensive actions where relevant, rather than passively defending with blocks and clearances.

His ability in the air was previously cited as a trait that he could improve upon. In open play, his aerial duel rating (34 out of 99) is nowhere near as proficient as Van Dijk or Matip.

At 6ft tall, he is unlikely to have as much aerial presence as Liverpool's current crop do — but he makes up for it with his defensive intensity and reading of the game.

Grazie (anche se c'ho capito poco e niente che l'inglese non lo mastico granché).
Dicono che è bono?   :=))

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Citazione di: Ranxerox il 19 Feb 2021, 23:29
Grazie (anche se c'ho capito poco e niente che l'inglese non lo mastico granché).
Dicono che è bono?   :=))

Per fare un riassunto: Ottimo per una squadra che pressa tanto dall'inizio alla fine (ottima intensità e lettura del gioco), è uno dei migliori a contrastare in Europa, medio nella gestione del pallone ma i compagni non aiutano e comunque sta migliorando rispetto all'anno scorso, il suo punto debole sono i duelli aerei

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Citazione di: sharp il 19 Feb 2021, 22:18
mesà che difra è arrivato al capolinea, toro in vantaggio con bremher

Sarà colpa dei raccattapalle? Gli auguro le peggio cose a sto montato.

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Citazione di: Gulp il 19 Feb 2021, 23:36
Per fare un riassunto: Ottimo per una squadra che pressa tanto dall'inizio alla fine (ottima intensità e lettura del gioco), è uno dei migliori a contrastare in Europa, medio nella gestione del pallone ma i compagni non aiutano e comunque sta migliorando rispetto all'anno scorso, il suo punto debole sono i duelli aerei

Quindi per noi potrebbe essere bono. Peraltro infila più di qualche gol l'anno, soprattutto di testa ed è uno che prende poche ammonizioni.
Grazie per la consulenza  :beer:

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