I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021

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Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #40 il: 28 Nov 2020, 22:00 »
Nel Den Haag non gioca anche Ravel Morrison?

Sì. Oggi però non era nemmeno in panchina. Aveva giocato il primo tempo dell'ultima partita dove avevano perso 6-0.
Finita ora. Kishna (con la fascia da capitano) in lacrime: erano tre anni dall'ultima partita  :s

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Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #41 il: 28 Nov 2020, 22:07 »
Purtroppo ha avuto un impatto da incubo con il calcio dei grandi, nelle prime giornate di B a Trapani, dal quale non si è più ripreso.
Non so se si tratti anche di una questione caratteriale o di crescita tecnica interrotta, forse anche per scelte di squadra discutibili, però la sua carriera si è praticamente fermata appena uscito dalla Primavera, e ormai sono almeno quattro o cinque anni.

Magari gli farebbe davvero bene tornare a poter giocare con continuità, anche in serie C. E lo dico proprio per il suo bene e per le potenzialità che aveva fatto intravedere.

3 mesi in una squadra poi sparita. Un po poco per non riprendersi...diciamo piuttosto che il ragazzo, il suo procuratore e la Lazio non hanno fatto scelte ideali per la carriera del ragazzo.

Leggevo che a Gennaio cmq potrebbe addirittura svincolarsi da Salerno che cmq se lo sono preso per poi prenderne altri 2 (Adamonis uno dei due) e tenersi i due che avevano già

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Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #42 il: 28 Nov 2020, 22:13 »
Sì. Oggi però non era nemmeno in panchina. Aveva giocato il primo tempo dell'ultima partita dove avevano perso 6-0.
Finita ora. Kishna (con la fascia da capitano) in lacrime: erano tre anni dall'ultima partita  :s

Sarà stato il dolore, dopo 3 anni je faceva male tutto :)

Comunque io vedo un botto ma proprio un botto de partite, ma nella serata in cui se proprio uno dimentica la Premier perché l'ha vista tutto il giorno, c'è il Real Madrid che scaja de brutto in casa e l'Atalanta pure, e uno se vede l'Eredivisie, tanti di cappello. Esistono livelli infiniti per questa perversione :)
Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #43 il: 28 Nov 2020, 22:13 »
Sì. Oggi però non era nemmeno in panchina. Aveva giocato il primo tempo dell'ultima partita dove avevano perso 6-0.
Finita ora. Kishna (con la fascia da capitano) in lacrime: erano tre anni dall'ultima partita  :s

Sergio è Sergio, Hoedt sta andando benone, Patric va che è una bellezza, manca di riprendere Kishna e Morrison e farne (ri-farne nel caso del poro Kishna) dei giocatori e vualà, completato il famoso mercato della squadra difficilmente migliorabile  :)
Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #44 il: 28 Nov 2020, 22:32 »
Sarà stato il dolore, dopo 3 anni je faceva male tutto :)

Comunque io vedo un botto ma proprio un botto de partite, ma nella serata in cui se proprio uno dimentica la Premier perché l'ha vista tutto il giorno, c'è il Real Madrid che scaja de brutto in casa e l'Atalanta pure, e uno se vede l'Eredivisie, tanti di cappello. Esistono livelli infiniti per questa perversione :)

 :)

In realtà stasera la perversione era programmata su Sporting Lisbona - Moreirense (oramai sono andato in fissa con la squadra di Ruben Amorim), però una mezz'ora prima dell'inizio della partita mi arriva la notifica su Sofa Score che mi avvisa dell'entrata in campo di Kishna e allora mi dico: "mica vorrò perdermi il ritorno in campo del buon Kishna? Fanculo la Premier, il Real Madrid e Ruben Amorim, io mi guardo Kishna che pascola per il campo oramai a corto di fiato". :=))

Un quarto d'ora di calcio inguardabile, però le lacrime di Ricardo sono state belle. Calcisticamente parlando è stato parecchio sfortunato.

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Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #45 il: 29 Nov 2020, 10:56 »
Comunque se io rinasco voglio essere Ravel Morrison. Trovare ogni anno un contratto da calciatore professionista non facendo una minchia da tempo immemore è da artisti veri.
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« Risposta #46 il: 29 Nov 2020, 11:58 »
Comunque se io rinasco voglio essere Ravel Morrison. Trovare ogni anno un contratto da calciatore professionista non facendo una minchia da tempo immemore è da artisti veri.

Tra l'altro settimana scorsa ha debuttato con la nazionale giamaicana

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Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #47 il: 29 Nov 2020, 12:24 »
Vabbè ce ne sono migliaia come Morrison, anzi in lui c'è sempre il barlume della speranza che possa esplodere, mentre per altri non si capisce proprio come fanno a giocare a calcio...
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« Risposta #48 il: 29 Nov 2020, 15:46 »
Comunque se io rinasco voglio essere Ravel Morrison. Trovare ogni anno un contratto da calciatore professionista non facendo una minchia da tempo immemore è da artisti veri.

Carriera inquietante. La vita è veramente un mistero...

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Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #49 il: 29 Nov 2020, 15:58 »
Per chi mastica un po' d'inglese, posto un articolo preso da The Athletic scritto da Daniel Taylor, vincitore del premio "football journalist of the year" per 4 anni ed ex capo della redazione calcio del Guardian e dell'Observer. Spiega molte cose su Ravel. Vi avverto è lunghissimo

Who will speak up for Ravel Morrison?

Sep 8, 2020
“The first thing I said to him was that he should be proud of everything he has achieved. Every time he posts on Twitter, there are 20 people telling him, ‘You’re just a wasted talent, you’re just an idiot’. Nobody knows who he is. But there’s no way those people can continually say those things, digging away at him, without it having an impact and without him maybe believing it’s true. So I told him, a lot of times, that he should be proud, because very few people get to play for Manchester United or Lazio.”

There are not many people in this world willing to defend Ravel Morrison from the common allegation that he has sold himself short, that he has wasted all that rare talent and has only himself to blame.

But Ian Burchnall, formerly the manager of Ostersund, is one.

“I had a good experience with him,” he tells The Athletic. “I liked him. We’ve kept in contact and I have a lot of time for him. Ostersund are a small club in the north of Sweden, where he could have come in as a big-time Charlie, but that was never the case. He never missed a training session, never arrived late, never went AWOL. He was polite, he was grateful for everything, he was gracious. There was humbleness.

“I talked a lot to Ravel individually. We’d talk about life, his background, his brothers, his nan. He’s unbelievably misunderstood. It’s so flippant and easy to say he has thrown his talent away and wasted everything when, I tell you what, he hasn’t had it easy throughout his life.

“Human beings are complex and talent is only a small fraction of what makes a footballer, so, in my opinion, he should be proud. He has played for Manchester United and West Ham and QPR. He has gone to Lazio, one of the biggest clubs in Italy. He has played for Atlas in Mexico, where he was brilliant. It is lazy to say he’s wasted his career or been an idiot, or all those other things that get thrown at him. It goes deeper than that and there are complexities to his mindset that people need to understand. I try — but I don’t always understand them.”

Morrison spent four months on loan at Ostersund after managing only eight appearances for Lazio and quickly realising he was not suited to life in Italy.

“I have many positive stories,” Burchnall says. “The kitman was a refugee from Darfur and Rav really took care of him. Rav would take him down to the hairdresser to get a cut with him. He bought him an iPad. He was always giving things away, buying things for people, being nice.

“I remember there was one supporter who hero-worshipped him, so Rav ran into the club shop and bought a shirt. He had ‘Ravel’ put on the back and gave it to this kid. He did a lot of things that were really kind, but people don’t hear so much about them.”

It is true. Chances are you have probably never heard anyone talk about Morrison this positively before. And that, perhaps, is the saddest thing when it comes to a player Sir Alex Ferguson once described as “the best kid you will ever see”.

Ferguson used to rate Morrison above Paul Pogba in the United side that won the 2011 FA Youth Cup. Morrison was extra special, according to Fergie. Better than the young Ryan Giggs. Better than Paul Scholes. Better than all of them. It was no wonder Ferguson described it as “very painful” when everything started to unravel and he decided United had no choice but to cut him free.

And who else is prepared to stand up for Morrison when the new Premier League season starts this weekend and he finds himself without a club?

One member of staff at Old Trafford became so exasperated with the various no-shows, his apparent lack of focus, the court appearances and repeated acts of indiscipline, that the player’s mother, Sharon, turned up to collect him one day and was told he was a “waste of space”.

His last club was Sheffield United, where the manager, Chris Wilder, said Morrison might be worth £60 million if he could get a run in their team.

Morrison played a total of 12 minutes in the Premier League and, midway through last season, was loaned to Middlesbrough in the Championship. That didn’t work out either and Middlesbrough sent him back early. Just like Cardiff City did when he was on loan from West Ham. And just like Birmingham City threatened to do after various misdemeanours, including a training-ground punch-up with one of team-mates, during another loan arrangement with the London club.

At West Ham, where Morrison had his best run of Premier League football, he played 24 times. For Birmingham, there were 30 appearances. For Queens Park Rangers, it was 13, Cardiff seven and there were four games each for Sheffield United and Middlesbrough. At Atlas, in Guadalajara, he played 25 times. For Ostersund, it was six. For Manchester United, there were three, all substitute appearances in the League Cup. And, tough as it is, Morrison might have to understand why so many people get angry, genuinely angry, about the popular narrative that has him as this supremely talented player, holding the keys to the football universe, but then letting it slip away.

These ought to be Morrison’s peak years and a time in his life where he should be playing at the point of maximum expression. Instead, at the age of 27, his career appears to have come to a temporary standstill and the difficult truth is that he has never made more than 30 appearances for any of his clubs.

Why is it that, when his name is mentioned now, and the fact he is out of work, one of his former colleagues announces (heavy in sarcasm), “Surprise!”

Who will speak up for Ravel Morrison?

When the Premier League season returns, who knows where he will be or what he will be doing.

Not everyone at Old Trafford has washed their hands of Morrison since Ferguson decided it was time to let him go.

Gary Neville, for one, has kept in touch with the player Ferguson wrote about in his 2015 book, Leading, in a passage referring to players who “despite enormous natural talent, just aren’t emotionally or mentally strong enough to overcome the hurts of their childhood and their inner demons”.

Morrison, Ferguson wrote, was “perhaps the saddest case”. He had “as much natural talent as any youngster we ever signed but kept getting into trouble”.

What has never been reported until now is that Morrison had also been diagnosed with ADHD, a mental health disorder, and there were perhaps complex reasons, therefore, why the player may have acted the way he did sometimes. But then again, Morrison has gone through almost all of his professional life without people knowing the facts and judging him on reputation alone. People know what he has done — just not necessarily why.

He and his close circle will never be persuaded that Manchester United looked after him appropriately and one vital detail came out in one of his court appearances: Morrison’s football career meant he wasn’t taking the medication he had been prescribed to help him cope with his disorder.

Neville, like Burchnall, takes the view that it is too complex to write off Morrison as a waster or a troublemaker, or all the other labels that have been attached to him over the years. Neville has taken the time to find out about the player’s family, his background and the difficulties he endured in his younger years, growing up for a long time with his grandparents. Morrison, he says, has encountered “significant complexities and challenges in his life”.

There is also a degree of mitigation when it comes to Morrison’s inability to make a favourable impression at Sheffield United last season. This time, there were no disciplinary problems and, if anything, a fair amount of evidence that he is a more rounded and mature individual, whose behaviour has dramatically improved in the last few years. The problem was straightforward: Wilder had a settled side and a preferred formation that did not require a No 10, Morrison’s usual position.

Morrison was not match-fit when he arrived at Middlesbrough and, by the time he got himself in better shape, the season was interrupted by the COVID-19 shutdown. Jonathan Woodgate was sacked a week after the restart. The team were in the relegation zone and the new manager, Neil Warnock, could probably be forgiven for thinking it was not a time to experiment with such a mercurial player.

The Athletic has spoken to people at Middlesbrough who talk about Morrison being unfailingly polite and, overall, a pleasant surprise given his reputation. It is the same at Bramall Lane, where Wilder asked some of the more established pros to make sure Morrison knew the correct times for training, team meetings and so on. All the relevant people say he left both clubs on good terms.

Gareth Southgate is an admirer of Morrison, going back to his days in charge of England Under-21s. Harry Redknapp managed Morrison at QPR and tried to sign him on three other occasions. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer will eulogise about Morrison’s ability from his days as Manchester United reserves manager and the Jamaican football authorities still want the player to switch his allegiances to the Reggae Boyz.

At the same time, how many clubs have looked at Morrison’s career trajectory and leapt to the conclusion, to borrow a word that Jose Mourinho once applied to Mario Balotelli, that he is “unmanageable”?

How many managers have taken the view that, if Ferguson was unable to handle him, was it really worth the hassle?

Russell Slade tried at Cardiff but realised, in the end, that it was beyond him. “The one thing everybody will tell you is he has ability in abundance,” Slade says. “Some of the things he did in training, sitting players on the floor, dragging the ball round them… they were ridiculous. He had so much ability. But the mentality side of it — mental strength — is so important as well in football.”

Morrison had joined Cardiff when his time at West Ham, in particular his relationship with the then-manager Sam Allardyce, went so sour it ended with the player signing a confidentiality agreement not to talk about it.

Slade takes a sympathetic view but also knows enough about his own business to understand why various colleagues, under intense pressure to get results, might have doubts about taking on Morrison.”If you look at the managers who have had him, having already been at X, Y and Z, don’t go thinking if you’re somebody down the road that you’re the one who can do something about it,” is his verdict. “I put these players in a unique bracket. There is only so much you can do. They have to help themselves. It’s about having a focus, day in and day out. It can be very frustrating.”

Wayne Rooney also sounded frustrated when he mentioned Morrison in a recent Sunday Times column, saying he “had everything required for a player in his position” and adding: “But he struggled with lifestyle and his environment, which was sad for him because I saw Paul Pogba come through, Jesse Lingard, all these players, and Ravel was better than any of them by a country mile.”

Rooney’s conclusion was that it came down to the player’s work ethic. Others, Gary Neville included, will appreciate there is more to it. Morrison’s childhood was difficult, to say the least, with no apparent father figure. Colin Gordon, one of the agents who used to help look after him, has described his difficulties in absorbing instructions, adding, “at times, he was such a lovely kid. He’s not got a bad bone in his body but he never really understood what he needed to do to be a footballer”.

But one of the other things you learn about Morrison is that, in most cases, the people who have encountered him in football will talk with regret, and sometimes even affection, rather than anger or malice.

“Don’t go knocking him,” Slade says. “He’s a likeable lad. He’s not a nasty kid. If people think he is a wrong ‘un, he’s not. I’d defend him. He’s a good guy. You can have a chat with him. He’s got a sense of humour. There’s just something missing.”

A lot has happened in the life of Ravel Morrison since I saw him standing in the dock of a Manchester courthouse, waiting to find out if he was going to be locked up.

It was February 2011 and Morrison, three months after his Manchester United debut, had pleaded guilty to two offences of intimidating a witness. Two of his friends had been convicted of a street robbery, holding up a 15-year-old boy at knifepoint and stealing a pair of trainers and a music system.

Morrison had sent the victim a series of threatening messages (“you don’t know what I’m capable of”) to try to stop him giving evidence at the trial of his muggers. The footballer had also been part of a mob of 15 to 20 people who had chased the boy and thrown a brick through his window. The boy was so traumatised, his family put the house up for sale. Yet Morrison never seemed to understand the seriousness of what he had done.

The judge questioned whether United were taking the right care of him. Her view was that they might not be.

The court was told Morrison had been diagnosed with a form of ADHD but was not taking the prescribed medication, on United’s say-so, because the club had concerns it would have adversely affected his career. The judge expressed her concern about that decision and The Athletic has spoken to people around Morrison who are also critical of United’s position.

United’s account is that the medication would have meant Morrison automatically failing a drugs test and that was their concern rather than how it might potentially impact his performance. United say they applied for a Therapeutic Use Exemption, which would have allowed Morrison to take the medication and abide by anti-doping rules, but the request was turned down. After that, in their view, it would have been entirely wrong to let Morrison take something that would have seen him fail a drugs test and potentially be banned from the sport.

Either way, the fact is that Morrison wasn’t taking the medication he needed and struggled to cope in his time at Old Trafford.

For United, it was a moral dilemma. On the one hand, was there an obligation to make sure one of their young players was given the medication he needed for his well-being? But on the other hand, what about the professional consequences for Morrison? There were no easy answers and United’s view, ultimately, was that Morrison was better off in their care rather than taking a course of action that might have seriously damaged his career.

The first was Morrison’s apparent indifference because, unless he was just a superb actor, he seemed entirely unfazed that the judge was giving serious consideration to a custodial sentence.

Instead, he was given a year-long referral order because the judge decided to be lenient, on the basis the player was at the start of his career.

Yet it was only when Morrison was ordered to pay the victim £500 in compensation that we saw a change to his demeanour. He had no money in the bank, the court was told, even though the professional contract he signed on his 17th birthday deposited £3,400, after tax, into his account on the 25th of every month. And it was quite something to see how taken aback, and downright angry, he was to hear he had to pay compensation.

All this will be news to United because the other relevant detail, for reasons never fully explained, was that absolutely nobody from the club went to court with him.

Ferguson might ordinarily have been expected to accompany his player, or at least send in a character reference. Or somebody from the academy, perhaps. Not here, though. Morrison was alone, bar his lawyer and mum Sharon, sitting at the back of the court, dabbing her eyes.

It was the same later that year when Morrison, aged 18, appeared at Salford magistrates’ court on a charge of criminal damage. “It felt like they weren’t interested,” he said in a rare interview with The Times last year.

And there is another memory, if you can forgive the language, that makes you wonder whether his club had given up on him.

Morrison’s troubles made the front page of the Manchester Evening News — “Shame of United Ace” — and a few days later, waiting to fly with the team to a Champions League game, a member of the backroom staff marched over to a group of football writers to have a go at the reporter from that newspaper.

The journalist assumed at first that it must be the Morrison coverage that had caused the upset but it turned out the person wearing a United blazer was annoyed because of some criticism in the previous weekend’s match report.

Not Morrison?

“You’re joking,” came the reply. “Write what you want about that cunt.” (continua)

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Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #50 il: 29 Nov 2020, 16:00 »
You might have seen the video.

At the last count, 3.6 million people had clicked on YouTube to see the footage put out by the Football Association. It is an almost implausible piece of skill, from an England Under-21s training session, and to watch it back now is to be reminded what a majestic footballer we are talking about.

A corner has been taken from the right and Morrison, running in, clearly thinks that heading the ball, or going for the volley, is far too dreary for a player with his gifts.

Gianfranco Zola did something similar for Chelsea once, against Norwich City. Yet the cross for Morrison is higher and he is further out from goal. He is mid-air, twisting 90 degrees, when his back leg comes round to connect with the ball. And then there is the sweet sound of ball against net.

Morrison saunters away, as if it is the most normal thing in the world.

What has never been reported until now is that the success of that video prompted a rethink of the social media strategy at the FA, led by Southgate.

Behind the scenes, there was a feeling it was not necessarily a positive thing that the video went viral. Southgate and his coaches were mindful that the internet was full of footballers who can look like world-beaters in 15-second clips. They wanted, in short, for Morrison to show he could do it in proper games. The decision was taken that the FA’s social-media staff had to check with the coaches before putting out anything like that again.

Nobody, however, could have accused Morrison at that stage of being only a YouTube sensation.

Look at the movement and assurance that saw him glide through the Tottenham Hotspur defence to win West Ham’s goal of the season award in 2013.

https://twitter.com/WestHam/status/1180754564842020864

Or the expertise of his two debut goals for England Under-21s against Lithuania (let’s not dwell on the fact he started fighting with his own team-mate Wilfried Zaha in the same match).

Nor does it feel too long ago since a group of us journalists had an audience with Roy Hodgson, reflecting on England’s qualification for the 2014 World Cup, and Morrison was mentioned among the players who could force their way into the squad.

Morrison was playing so beautifully for West Ham at the time that it did not feel incongruous to talk about him that way. But that ended badly, too. Morrison’s fall-out with Allardyce was severe (the player reputedly taped one of their conversations) and he moved on loan to QPR in the Championship.

“The problem, once he has a narrative around him, is that each manager is going to wait until the first mistake and then it’s a case of, ‘I knew he’d do that’,” Burchnall says.

“I tried to look in a deeper context about him as a person. I didn’t mind if he made a mistake, I didn’t mind if he had a training session when he wasn’t quite on it. We just accepted that was going to be part of his characteristics and, OK, we’ll work with that. People say he has a bad attitude… he had a brilliant attitude. He was competitive, he was a winner. He didn’t play a lot for us because, financially, it was always going to be a short-term thing. But I tell you one thing, we never lost a game he started.”

Unfortunately for Morrison, it has always been easier to get a bad name in football than it has been to lose one.

In his case, the reputation was forged at an early age and he has never been able to put that right because, first and foremost, that would have meant showing he was capable of maintaining a level of performance over a sustained period of time.

Don’t make the mistake, however, of thinking that his entire life is not shaped around football, or that he does not care about the sport.

One of the stories from his days at Birmingham is of the manager, Lee Clark, working late in his office at the training ground and hearing voices from the dressing room. It was Morrison and a group of mates who had sneaked in for a game on the top pitch. And this might not have been the first time. There are stories of the same happening at West Ham and other appearances at Manchester’s Powerleague Soccerdome.

The paradox is that he does not seem to have been seduced by Manchester United in the way that most boys would be. He was there from the age of nine and, over time, seems to have grown disillusioned being with the kids and the reserves, listening to the shouts from the first-team players on the next field.

Less-talented players had been moved across to the seniors before him, which he found hard to take. Ferguson told him he would be, too, on one condition: he had to go three months without missing a training session.

Morrison was not wired that way. On one occasion, he was left out of a reserve game. “Piss take” was his verdict on Twitter. The following day, Ferguson rolled his eyes at a press conference to mark his 25th anniversary as manager. “There is always something,” he said. “Every day brings something new.”

The people close to Morrison have always tried to make a case that some of his misdemeanours were to make other people happy and that his biggest fault was not knowing how to say no. The time, for example, he took an old pair of boots, belonging to a first-team player, from the dressing room and gave them to a friend. The boots, Morrison later explained, were no longer wanted by the first-team player. But the story somehow got out and, again, added to his reputation.

There was also the sideshow of Morrison tweeting Rio Ferdinand for support after rumours surfaced on Twitter about him stealing a watch from the dressing room. Ferdinand confirmed it was untrue.

But there have also been incidents when you can understand why Morrison’s team-mates, managers and coaches have grown tired of his behaviour. There was the time Morrison tweeted a message from United’s player of the year dinner that it was “shit”. Or the occasion Morrison got into an argument with one of his Twitter followers and called him “gay”, getting a disciplinary charge and a fine from the FA.

Chelsea toyed with the idea of signing him. Newcastle United offered £500,000. Arsenal were interested. Barcelona, Roma, Paris Saint-Germain: they all knew about him. Yet the big clubs decided he was too risky and, when Morrison moved to Lazio a few years later, one director, Igli Tare, talked about an enigma who “has undoubted quality and is world-class, as well as being a little mad”.

One story was of Morrison wanting to come back, after only one week in Rome, because Lazio did not have salad cream in the canteen. It sounds a bit far-fetched but Morrison has talked himself about foreign excursions where “I have this thing — I don’t know if it’s a mental thing — where I have difficulty eating… it was literally in my head that I couldn’t eat”.

On one trip to eastern Europe, he was “living off Rice Krispies bars and Jaffa Cakes”. He had “absolutely rotten teeth,” according to Allardyce, and it is true that Morrison’s diet, and dental problems, have been recurring issues.

“He had a fear of the dentist,” Slade says, more sympathetically. “He was complaining about toothache and we had to ensure someone was with him to make sure he went in. Otherwise it was never going to get fixed.”

Then consider the story that Colin Gordon tells about receiving an SOS from John Peacock, then-manager of England Under-17s, when the squad were preparing for a game in Azerbaijan in 2009.

Gordon, whose business partner John Colquhoun represented Morrison, was booked on a flight to Baku and went straight to the team hotel with a crate of Lucozade and a box of Mars bars. Morrison, he says, had “convinced himself that if he ate foreign food, he’d be poisoned”.

At Carrington, Manchester United’s training ground, there would be times when a battered old white van would turn up at the gates and Morrison would pile out of the back. On other occasions, he simply did not bother going in.

Again, it was difficult to find too much in the way of sympathy. What was the point, someone from Old Trafford once asked, of “having feet like Ravel Morrison if you are also going to have the mind of Ravel Morrison?”

Morrison didn’t go to nightclubs. He didn’t drink. He developed a penchant for fast cars but, back then, his evenings were often spent hanging around on street corners with lads on BMXs. He was streetwise.

An image formed of Morrison as a wannabe gangster and he has had to live with that, to some extent, ever since.

Just consider the autobiography of Terry McDermott, once assistant manager at Birmingham, who writes fondly of Morrison but also makes a flippant remark that there was “talk of him having a gun when he was in Manchester”. He didn’t have one and it was a silly thing to say but typical, perhaps, of the kind of thing people have said about Morrison. Nothing much seemed to change, however, on the various occasions Morrison has put on Twitter that people were judging him without knowing him.

It was McDermott and Clark, with their Newcastle backgrounds, who told Morrison that if he knuckled down, he could be as good as Paul Gascoigne.

The punchline to this story was that Morrison had no idea who Gascoigne was — but if this is another Gazza-like story of flawed genius, the younger man has shown that genius only fleetingly.

What a shame that, in Morrison’s entire career, there have been only 52 occasions when he has started and finished a senior match in the 10 years since signing his first professional contract.

You can listen to Rio Ferdinand, who says he “would pay to watch Ravel train” and was one of the senior pros who used to try to keep him out of trouble. “The first day I saw him, the boss (Ferguson) said to me, ‘Look at this kid, No 7 on the training pitch, come and watch; best kid I’ve ever seen’. He trained with the first-team at 16 and he was taking the mickey out of the other players.”

Or you can listen to Allardyce, who has a less complimentary view and will argue that the comparisons with Gascoigne are unfair. “Gazza wanted to play and train. Rav wasn’t bothered. I do feel sorry for him, because he had a tough upbringing and didn’t learn any life skills. I had endless conversations with him where he would nod, say, ‘Yes’ and ‘No problem. I’ll do it’, but the minute he was out of the door, he was back to his destructive ways. There were more important ways to spend my time than on someone who patently didn’t want to change.”

It is a sad story, ultimately, when you think where Morrison is now: looking for a new club, on the eve of a new season, with only a smallish number of people willing to speak up on his behalf. But don’t assume this is him on football’s scrapheap. He has had offers from Turkey, the Netherlands and England, and is keeping fit by working with a personal trainer and daily visits to the gym.

It has been a long time since he was last in trouble and the people who know him best say it is unfair that almost every headline about him appears to be a negative one. Why, they ask, is his reputation as a “bad boy” brought up more than various other players who have been in trouble with the law?

What he needs more than anything, perhaps, is a manager who believes in him and is willing to shape the entire team around him.

At Ostersund, Burchnall moved him from his usual role as an attacking player into a deeper position at the base of midfield. The Andrea Pirlo role, if you like.

“I was letting him get the ball off the goalkeeper and the centre-halves,” Burchnall says. “The whole game flowed around him. I just gave him the ball — ‘Go and have the ball. Make 100 to 120 passes per game. You control the game, Rav’. He was like a conductor.

“He almost talks on the pitch, you know what I mean? It was scary to see what he could do and what he saw on the pitch. It was scary to see his understanding of the game. I would see a pass from the side. He would already have seen two or three better options and he had the talent to execute them. We’d be like, ‘Wow, has he really just done that?’”

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Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #51 il: 29 Nov 2020, 16:01 »
A gennaio cambiare squadra a Palombi. Non gioca mai, è cercargli una squadra che lo faccia giocare
Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #52 il: 29 Nov 2020, 16:34 »
Palombi ha 24 anni e non è mai andato oltre le 8 reti in Serie B.

Direi che non è cosa per noi.
Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #53 il: 29 Nov 2020, 17:53 »
Che non fosse roba per noi lo si è capito da un pezzo. Magari poteva ritornare utile in ottica scambio tecnico o conguaglio per facilitare qualche acquisto. Invece mi sa che oramai manco da questo punto di vista ci si potrà fare qualcosa :(

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Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #54 il: 29 Nov 2020, 18:13 »
Vabbè ce ne sono migliaia come Morrison, anzi in lui c'è sempre il barlume della speranza che possa esplodere, mentre per altri non si capisce proprio come fanno a giocare a calcio...

Con la differenza che gli altri magari saranno scarsi, ma giocano o almeno ci provano. Questa è la carriera di Morrison dal 2014 in poi (limitandosi al campionato):
2014-2015: uno spezzone di partita (33') con il West Ham sino a gennaio, poi prestito in Championship con il Cardiff per un totale di 7 partite di cui solo due dall'inizio e cinque spezzoni da subentrato.
2015-2016: un tempo contro il Chievo e tre spezzoni per una decina di minuti in totale con la nostra maglia.
2016-2017: neanche un minuto sino a gennaio, poi prestito in Championship al QPR per poco più di 100 minuti complessivi giocati.
2017-2018: prestito all'Atlas dove senza fare sfracelli è l'unica volta in cui un po' di partite le gioca.
2018-2019: nada de nada sino a marzo poi sei partite con l'Ostersund in Svezia.
2019-2020: 12' con lo Sheffield Utd nella prima parte della stagione, poi da gennaio tre partite con il M'Boro in Championship.
Con tutto il talento (sprecato) che gli si può riconoscere, dubito che ci siano migliaia di giocatori che non giocando praticamente mai o quasi, siano capaci di trovare ogni anno qualcuno che gli fa un contratto da professionista. Lo dico con invidia ed ammirazione. Per me è un genio. :)
Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #55 il: 29 Nov 2020, 21:52 »
André Anderson on fire, il problema è che si è cagato due gol, però le azioni che ha fatto per crearseli sono davvero notevoli, soprattutto la seconda. Anche Dzidzek vicino al gol con un bel inserimento in area di rigore e un tiro rasoterra parato con i piedi dal portiere.
Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #56 il: 29 Nov 2020, 23:26 »
La discesa e relativa scomparsa di Rossi rimane per me un mistero.....
Mi dispiace per Guerrieri.
Ma non si possono mandare 2 portieri a Salerno .....
Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #57 il: 30 Nov 2020, 01:31 »
E stato detto che Pedro Neto sta a fa il, fenomeno?

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Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #58 il: 30 Nov 2020, 07:24 »
E stato detto che Pedro Neto sta a fa il, fenomeno?

No, ma era na marchetta oh...

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Re:I nostri giovani in prestito - stagione 2020/2021
« Risposta #59 il: 30 Nov 2020, 07:53 »
no, non era una marchetta, non dà retta.
 

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